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Corona virus (5)
Colocado por: Nasa1989
O que são as chamadas máscaras sociais?
Basicamente, de tecido e como tal laváveis.- Bricoleiro
- 21 abril 2020
Colocado por: JoelM
Só abrem para quem quer pôr lá os miúdos, se não quer, mantenha-o em casa!
Se o governo quer retomar, porque não retoma também os restantes graus de ensino, para que recriou a telescola?
De certeza que não tem filhos em idade de creche senão não dizia as asneiras que escreve, preocupa me atirar as crianças para o vírus, até agora foi nos lares, se as creches abrirem pode ser tragédias nas creches, se estão tão incomodados com os subsídios para os pais gostava também de ver essa indignação para com os milhões que o governo tem destinados ao NOVOBANCO.
As crianças não podem, NEM SABEM manter a distância de segurança, não percebem o porquê de não se poderem abraçar, beijar ou pedir colo. Aliás, estão constantemente em contacto direto com os colegas, educadores e auxiliares. Mesmo lavando as mãos regularmente, nunca estão limpas pois, mexem no chão, nos brinquedos e incluindo, a sola dos sapatos que vêm da rua.
Todos nós sabemos que as crianças levam as mãos à boca, ao rosto, ao nariz, etc; Todos sabemos, ou deveríamos, que as crianças são transmissoras dos agentes patogénicos que causam virose e afins, mesmo que com poucos sintomas ou nenhuns. Basta vermos que quando uma criança está doente, maioritariamente todas as que sejam da mesma sala ficam, seja à vez ou não. Infetando também as educadoras e auxiliares que, por sua vez, também vão infetar familiares. Não será preciso explicar que a partir daqui serão várias as cadeias de transmissão.Colocado por: JoelM
Só abrem para quem quer pôr lá os miúdos, se não quer, mantenha-o em casa!
Até é engraçado, quando a questão estava no secundário, tinha de ser pq não havia risco. Agora que a questão está nas creches, já não querem. Está falta de noção do todo é que nós condena a viver de crise em crise.Naturalmente que quem tem crianças não tem direito a trabalhar. Como também não podem ficar com os avós - eu nem me importava - o melhor é coloca-los numas caixinhas tipo transporte de animais e com um alimentador automático.- J.Fernandes
- 21 abril 2020
Colocado por: Bricoleiropreocupa me atirar as crianças para o vírus, até agora foi nos lares, se as creches abrirem pode ser tragédias nas creches
Não diga asneiras. Quantas crianças adoecem gravemente com COVID-19? As crianças não correm nenhum risco especial e só ganham em "partilhar" vírus de todos os tipos entre elas. Naturalmente, se uma criança tem problemas de saúde que a fragilizem é capaz de ser boa ideia mantê-la em casa mais uns tempos.
Eu tinha assinado uma petição há um mês atrás mas para não se fecharem.- Bricoleiro
- 21 abril 2020
Colocado por: J.Fernandes
Não diga asneiras. Quantas crianças adoecem gravemente com COVID-19? As crianças não correm nenhum risco especial e só ganham em "partilhar" vírus de todos os tipos entre elas. Naturalmente, se uma criança tem problemas de saúde que a fragilizem é capaz de ser boa ideia mantê-la em casa mais uns tempos.
Eu tinha assinado uma petição há um mês atrás mas para não se fecharem.
Leia tudo, não comente só a parte que acha que serve para contra argumentar.
Então proponha ao governo para abrir o ensino TODO, pelo seu ponto de vista.- J.Fernandes
- 21 abril 2020
Colocado por: BricoleiroLeia tudo, não comente só a parte que acha que serve para contra argumentar.
Então proponha ao governo para abrir o ensino TODO, pelo seu ponto de vista.
Eu li tudo e a minha resposta serve para todo o seu comentário.
Eu sou de acordo que todos os alunos voltem para escola, mas já é consensual que o risco para crianças pequenas é na prática nulo e para os jovens muito baixo.- Bricoleiro
- 21 abril 2020
Eu estou em teletrabalho em horário reduzido, não estou a receber um pingo de subsídio nem o meu salário por inteiro, mas quem se preocupa com o subsídio pago pelo Estado, lembrem-se que é pago a 66%, quem tiver filhos doentes recorrem à baixa que é paga a 100% nestas idades. É normal quererem retomar a economia, mas não comecem pelo fim ou acabarão com confinamento e com medidas mais severas.- Bricoleiro
- 21 abril 2020
Colocado por: J.FernandesEu sou de acordo que todos os alunos voltem para escola, mas já é consensual que o risco para crianças pequenas é na prática nulo e para os jovens muito baixo.
Não vale a pena, porque por mais que explique você não entende que as crianças (TODAS) são o escalão maior de transmissão que pode haver.Colocado por: Bricoleiro
Leia tudo, não comente só a parte que acha que serve para contra argumentar.
Então proponha ao governo para abrir o ensino TODO, pelo seu ponto de vista.
Pq? Isso diminui o risco dos seus filhos?Colocado por: J.Fernandes
Eu li tudo e a minha resposta serve para todo o seu comentário.
Eu sou de acordo que todos os alunos voltem para escola, mas já é consensual que o risco para crianças pequenas é na prática nulo e para os jovens muito baixo.
Mas são transmissores!!!!
Está difícil perceber isso J.Fernandes.Colocado por: Nasa1989
Mas são transmissores!!!!
Está difícil perceber isso J.Fernandes.
Pois são e vão ser durante muitos anos. Mesmo quando existir vacina as crianças não irão ser vacinadas, tal como não são agora para a gripe. Ao contrario dos velhos como eu que já tenho vacina á borla.
Há 2 anos o meu neto mais novo com 2 meses foi internado com a gripe A. Mais ninguemda familia teve problemas. O virus NUNCA irá desaparecer.https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01098-x
‘Closing borders is ridiculous’: the epidemiologist behind Sweden’s controversial coronavirus strategy
Anders Tegnell talks to Nature about the nation’s ‘trust-based’ approach to tackling the pandemic.
As much of Europe imposed severe restrictions on public life last month to stem the spread of the coronavirus, one country stood out.
Sweden didn’t go into lockdown or impose strict social-distancing policies. Instead, it rolled out voluntary, ‘trust-based’ measures: it advised older people to avoid social contact and recommended that people work from home, wash their hands regularly and avoid non-essential travel. But borders and schools for under-16s remain open — as do many businesses, including restaurants and bars.
The approach has sharp critics. Among them are 22 high-profile scientists who last week wrote in the Swedish newspaper Dagens Nyheter that the public-health authorities had failed, and urged politicians to step in with stricter measures. They point to the high number of coronavirus deaths in elder-care homes and Sweden’s overall fatality rate, which is higher than that of its Nordic neighbours — 131 per million people, compared with 55 per million in Denmark and 14 per million in Finland, which have adopted lockdowns.
The strategy’s architect is Anders Tegnell, an epidemiologist at Sweden’s Public Health Agency, an independent body whose expert recommendations the government follows. Tegnell spoke to Nature about the approach.
Can you explain Sweden’s approach to controlling the coronavirus?
I think it has been overstated how unique the approach is. As in many other countries, we aim to flatten the curve, slowing down the spread as much as possible — otherwise the health-care system and society are at risk of collapse.
This is not a disease that can be stopped or eradicated, at least until a working vaccine is produced. We have to find long-term solutions that keeps the distribution of infections at a decent level. What every country is trying to do is to keep people apart, using the measures we have and the traditions we have to implement those measures. And that’s why we ended up doing slightly different things.
The Swedish laws on communicable diseases are mostly based on voluntary measures — on individual responsibility. It clearly states that the citizen has the responsibility not to spread a disease. This is the core we started from, because there is not much legal possibility to close down cities in Sweden using the present laws. Quarantine can be contemplated for people or small areas, such as a school or a hotel. But [legally] we cannot lock down a geographical area.
What evidence was this approach based on?
It is difficult to talk about the scientific basis of a strategy with these types of disease, because we do not know much about it and we are learning as we are doing, day by day. Closedown, lockdown, closing borders — nothing has a historical scientific basis, in my view. We have looked at a number of European Union countries to see whether they have published any analysis of the effects of these measures before they were started and we saw almost none.
Closing borders, in my opinion, is ridiculous, because COVID-19 is in every European country now. We have more concerns about movements inside Sweden.
As a society, we are more into nudging: continuously reminding people to use measures, improving measures where we see day by day the that they need to be adjusted. We do not need to close down everything completely because it would be counterproductive.
How does the Swedish Public Health Agency make decisions?
Around 15 people from the agency meet every morning and update decisions and recommendations according to the data collection and analysis. We talk to regional authorities twice per week.
The big debate we are facing right now is around care homes for older people, where we registered very unfortunate outbreaks of the coronavirus. This accounts for Sweden’s higher death rate, compared with our neighbours. Investigations are ongoing, because we must understand which reccommendations have not been followed, and why.
The approach has been criticized for being too relaxed. How do you respond to these criticisms? Do you think it risks people’s lives more than necessary?
I do not believe there is that risk. The public-health agency has released detailed modelling on a region-by-region basis that comes to much less pessimistic conclusions than other researchers in terms of hospitalizations and deaths per thousand infections. There has been an increase, but it is not traumatic so far. Of course, we are going into a phase in the epidemic where we will see a lot more cases in the next few weeks — with more people in intensive-care units — but that is just like any other country. Nowhere in Europe has been able to slow down the spread considerably.
About schools, I am confident they are going to stay open on the national level. We are in the middle of the epidemic and, in my view, the science shows that closing schools at this stage does not make sense. You have to shut down schools fairly early in the epidemic to get an effect. In Stockholm, which has the majority of Sweden’s cases, we are now close to the top of the curve, so closing schools is meaningless at this stage. Moreover, it is instrumental for psychiatric and physical health that the younger generation stays active.
Researchers have criticized the agency for not fully acknowledging the role of asymptomatic carriers. Do you think asymptomatic carriers are a problem?
There is a possibility that asymptomatics might be contagious, and some recent studies indicate that. But the amount of spread is probably fairly small compared to people who show symptoms. In the normal distribution of a bell curve asymptomatics sit at the margin, whereas most of the curve is occupied by symptomatics, the ones that we really need to stop.
Do you think the approach has been successful?
It is very difficult to know; it is too early, really. Each country has to reach ‘herd immunity’ [when a high proportion of the population is immune to an infection, largely limiting spread people who are not immune] in one way or another, and we are going to reach it in a different way.
There are enough signals to show that we can think about herd immunity, about recurrence. Very few cases of re-infection have been reported globally so far. How long the herd immunity will last, we do not know, but there is definitely an immune response.
What would you have done differently?
We underestimated the issues at care homes, and how the measures would be applied. We should have controlled this more thoroughly. By contrast, the health system, which is under unusual pressure, has nevertheless always been ahead of the curve.
Are you satisfied with the strategy?
Yes! We know that COVID-19 is extremely dangerous for very old people, which is of course bad. But looking at pandemics, there are much worse scenarios than this one. Most problems that we have right now are not because of the disease, but because of the measures that in some environments have not been applied properly: the deaths among older people is a huge problem and we are fighting hard.
Moreover, we have data showing that the flu epidemic and the winter norovirus dropped consistently this year, meaning that our social distancing and hand washing is working. And with the help of Google, we have seen that the movements of Swedes have fallen dramatically. Our voluntary strategy has had a real effect.- telhaduasaguas
- 21 abril 2020
O município de Gouveia passou aqui de manhã a deixar (7) máscaras:- telhaduasaguas
- 21 abril 2020 editado
Com instruções no verso:Colocado por: telhaduasaguasO município de Gouveia passou aqui de manhã a deixar (7) máscaras:
Para quem está em isolamento em casa, até que pode ser suficiente.
Quem está a trabalhar fora de casa, e ande em transportes públicos, isso dura 2/3 dias..Colocado por: luisvvDistribuidores de material sanitario alertan de que se han parado operaciones de compraventa tras el anuncio sin detallar del Gobierno y prevén desabastecimiento y aumento del mercado negro
Que surpresa, não é luisvv? ;)
Mas quando nós alertamos para as consequências destas medidas, somos apelidados de tudo e mais alguma coisa...
Nota: felizmente, em breve o mercado vai ser inundado de máscaras produzidas em Portugal.- J.Fernandes
- 21 abril 2020
Colocado por: Nasa1989Mas são transmissores!!!!
Claro que são, como todos nós.Colocado por: luisvvhttps://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01098-x
‘Closing borders is ridiculous’: the epidemiologist behind Sweden’s controversial coronavirus strategy
Anders Tegnell talks to Nature about the nation’s ‘trust-based’ approach to tackling the pandemic.
As much of Europe imposed severe restrictions on public life last month to stem the spread of the coronavirus, one country stood out.
Sweden didn’t go into lockdown or impose strict social-distancing policies. Instead, it rolled out voluntary, ‘trust-based’ measures: it advised older people to avoid social contact and recommended that people work from home, wash their hands regularly and avoid non-essential travel. But borders and schools for under-16s remain open — as do many businesses, including restaurants and bars.
The approach has sharp critics. Among them are 22 high-profile scientists who last week wrote in the Swedish newspaper Dagens Nyheter that the public-health authorities had failed, and urged politicians to step in with stricter measures. They point to the high number of coronavirus deaths in elder-care homes and Sweden’s overall fatality rate, which is higher than that of its Nordic neighbours — 131 per million people, compared with 55 per million in Denmark and 14 per million in Finland, which have adopted lockdowns.
The strategy’s architect is Anders Tegnell, an epidemiologist at Sweden’s Public Health Agency, an independent body whose expert recommendations the government follows. Tegnell spoke to Nature about the approach.
Can you explain Sweden’s approach to controlling the coronavirus?
I think it has been overstated how unique the approach is. As in many other countries, we aim to flatten the curve, slowing down the spread as much as possible — otherwise the health-care system and society are at risk of collapse.
This is not a disease that can be stopped or eradicated, at least until a working vaccine is produced. We have to find long-term solutions that keeps the distribution of infections at a decent level. What every country is trying to do is to keep people apart, using the measures we have and the traditions we have to implement those measures. And that’s why we ended up doing slightly different things.
The Swedish laws on communicable diseases are mostly based on voluntary measures — on individual responsibility. It clearly states that the citizen has the responsibility not to spread a disease. This is the core we started from, because there is not much legal possibility to close down cities in Sweden using the present laws. Quarantine can be contemplated for people or small areas, such as a school or a hotel. But [legally] we cannot lock down a geographical area.
What evidence was this approach based on?
It is difficult to talk about the scientific basis of a strategy with these types of disease, because we do not know much about it and we are learning as we are doing, day by day. Closedown, lockdown, closing borders — nothing has a historical scientific basis, in my view. We have looked at a number of European Union countries to see whether they have published any analysis of the effects of these measures before they were started and we saw almost none.
Closing borders, in my opinion, is ridiculous, because COVID-19 is in every European country now. We have more concerns about movements inside Sweden.
As a society, we are more into nudging: continuously reminding people to use measures, improving measures where we see day by day the that they need to be adjusted. We do not need to close down everything completely because it would be counterproductive.
How does the Swedish Public Health Agency make decisions?
Around 15 people from the agency meet every morning and update decisions and recommendations according to the data collection and analysis. We talk to regional authorities twice per week.
The big debate we are facing right now is around care homes for older people, where we registered very unfortunate outbreaks of the coronavirus. This accounts for Sweden’s higher death rate, compared with our neighbours. Investigations are ongoing, because we must understand which reccommendations have not been followed, and why.
The approach has been criticized for being too relaxed. How do you respond to these criticisms? Do you think it risks people’s lives more than necessary?
I do not believe there is that risk.The public-health agency has released detailed modelling on a region-by-region basis that comes to much less pessimistic conclusions than other researchers in terms of hospitalizations and deaths per thousand infections. There has been an increase, but it is not traumatic so far. Of course, we are going into a phase in the epidemic where we will see a lot more cases in the next few weeks — with more people in intensive-care units — but that is just like any other country. Nowhere in Europe has been able to slow down the spread considerably.
About schools, I am confident they are going to stay open on the national level. We are in the middle of the epidemic and, in my view, the science shows that closing schools at this stage does not make sense. You have to shut down schools fairly early in the epidemic to get an effect. In Stockholm, which has the majority of Sweden’s cases, we are now close to the top of the curve, so closing schools is meaningless at this stage. Moreover, it is instrumental for psychiatric and physical health that the younger generation stays active.
Researchers have criticized the agency for not fully acknowledging the role of asymptomatic carriers. Do you think asymptomatic carriers are a problem?
There is a possibility that asymptomatics might be contagious, and some recent studies indicate that. But the amount of spread is probably fairly small compared to people who show symptoms. In the normal distribution of a bell curve asymptomatics sit at the margin, whereas most of the curve is occupied by symptomatics, the ones that we really need to stop.
Do you think the approach has been successful?
It is very difficult to know; it is too early, really. Each country has to reach ‘herd immunity’ [when a high proportion of the population is immune to an infection, largely limiting spread people who are not immune] in one way or another, and we are going to reach it in a different way.
There are enough signals to show that we can think about herd immunity, about recurrence. Very few cases of re-infection have been reported globally so far. How long the herd immunity will last, we do not know, but there is definitely an immune response.
What would you have done differently?
We underestimated the issues at care homes, and how the measures would be applied. We should have controlled this more thoroughly. By contrast, the health system, which is under unusual pressure, has nevertheless always been ahead of the curve.
Are you satisfied with the strategy?
Yes! We know that COVID-19 is extremely dangerous for very old people, which is of course bad. But looking at pandemics, there are much worse scenarios than this one. Most problems that we have right now are not because of the disease, but because of the measures that in some environments have not been applied properly: the deaths among older people is a huge problem and we are fighting hard.
Moreover, we have data showing that the flu epidemic and the winter norovirus dropped consistently this year, meaning that our social distancing and hand washing is working. And with the help of Google, we have seen that the movements of Swedes have fallen dramatically. Our voluntary strategy has had a real effect.
LOL
Já aqui tinha dito, a Suécia está bem entregue... lol- J.Fernandes
- 21 abril 2020
Colocado por: BricoleiroNão vale a pena, porque por mais que explique você não entende que as crianças (TODAS) são o escalão maior de transmissão que pode haver.
O que é uma excelente razão para pôr as crianças a conviver umas com as outras e afastá-las das pessoas de risco. Afinal queremos que entrem em contacto com o vírus para gradualmente deixarem de ser transmissores ou queremos fechá-los numa redoma sempre "virgens" ao vírus e consequentemente, sempre prontos a transmiti-lo?
Alguns países estão a seguir a estratégia de abrir primeiro as creches por alguma razão.0.1438 seg. NEW
