Colocado por: Mk Ptcerto e fazer como a finlandia queria fazer a portugal, um manguito!
Acho que o dinheiro para a Grécia deste 3º resgate, se existir, devia ir apenas e só directamente das contas daqueles que andam a apelar à solidariedade europeia para com a Grécia.
Certamente que a perspectiva de uns quantos mudava e não se lia algumas parvoíces e muito apelo à desresponsabilização como se vê por aí.Concordam com este comentário:Anonimo16062021,tostex
Colocado por: Sergio Rodriguescerto e fazer como a finlandia queria fazer a portugal, um manguito!
Colocado por: ZantosÉ a mauta esquece-se de que o que deseja à Grécia se pode voltar contra nos. Parece que já estamos fora de perigo, em terra firme.
Vamos lá ver quando nos calhar a nós (estamos já a seguir) se as opiniões são estas, se as opiniões da eu forem em relação a nós idênticas às que têm dos gregos ... A este ritmo também iremos "secar" como os gregos ...
Colocado por: euSe analisarem o documento, dá para ver que ele é muito mais simpático do que as medidas que foram adotadas em Portugal. Por isso, não percebo a relutância dos Gregos em aceitar este plano.
Nós aqui temos uma austeridade bem pior.
We crunched data from the US Conference Board, which has real gross domestic product, adjusted for purchasing power, for most countries in the world, going back to 1950 (with estimates for this year).
We identified the biggest consecutive falls in annual GDP from peak to trough. Ranking periods ranging from one to 10 years, we found that the Greek economy had the largest contraction of any advanced economy since 1950.
This is also the largest fall not caused by war, radical political change or, for some Middle East countries, a sustained drop in the oil price. Many of the most severe episodes occurred in the 15 former Soviet Socialist Republics after the break-up of the USSR. Similar experiences were seen in the former component countries of Yugoslavia, and other eastern European countries after the end of communism.
The only contractions worse than that in Greece so far this century have been in Zimbabwe, after hyperinflation, and in Syria, during a civil war
In comparison, crisis periods in other developed countries seem mild. The next largest fall post-1945 for an advanced economy was in Finland, where GDP dropped 9.7 per cent between 1990 and 1993, followed by Ireland, where output contracted 8.8 per cent between 2007 and 2009.
This Greek drama has also been protracted in time – no other advanced country has had a longer period of consecutive annual contraction since 1950.
The Greek economy grew by 0.8 per cent last year, and is expected to grow again this year, but recovery from the crisis years may take generations.
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Some argue that Greece at least would be far better off after a default and exit. It is indeed theoretically possible that a default to its public creditors, combined with introduction of a new currency, a big devaluation (accompanied by sound monetary and fiscal policies), maintenance of an open economy, structural reforms and institutional improvements would mark a turn for the better. Far more likely is a period of chaos and, at worst, emergence of a failed state. A Greece that could manage exit well would have also avoided today’s plight.
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Neither side should underestimate the risks. It is also crucial to avoid the contempt so characteristic of the frayed nerves caused by failing negotiations.
Fecklessness may be a grievous fault, but grievously have the Greeks answered it. As the Irish economist, Karl Whelan, points out in a blistering response to Mr Giavazzi, the Greek economy has suffered a staggering collapse. From peak to trough, aggregate real gross domestic product fell by 27 per cent, while real spending in the economy fell by a third. The cyclically-adjusted fiscal balance improved by 20 per cent of GDP between 2009 and 2014 and the current account balance improved by 16 per cent of GDP between 2008 and 2014. The unemployment rate reached 28 per cent in 2013, while government employment fell by 30 per cent between 2009 and 2014. Such a brutal adjustment would have shredded the politics of any country. (See charts.)
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Europeans are now dealing with Syriza because of this calamity. But they are also dealing with Syriza because of the refusal to write down more of the debt in 2010. This was a huge error, made far worse by the subsequent collapse of the Greek economy. Indeed, the vast bulk of the official loans to Greece were not made for its benefit at all, but for that of its feckless private creditors. Creditors, too, have a duty to take care. If they are careless, they risk big losses. If governments want to save them, their own taxpayers should be told to pay up
Colocado por: jpvngNão tenho aqui o link (pois não encontrei) para os dados dos efeitos do ajustamento económico e os seus efeitos na grecia nos últimos 5 anos mas foi uma queda brutal nunca antes vista.
Colocado por: treker666
Claro que será brutal se considerarmos que os dados de crescimento eram suportados por dados fictícios, apoiados por malabarismos estatísticos e dinheiro emprestado a rodo.
Colocado por: luisvv
Será que esta é maior que a de ontem?
Colocado por: jpvngTelefone para o financial times e pergunte se levaram isso em consideração.
Colocado por: jpvngExacto...São malandros.
Colocado por: treker666
Não muito diferentes de nos. Se a pêra pode cair da árvore, porque subir e apanhar se basta esperar? E são os próprios Gregos que o dizem por aqui! E ainda não ouvi nenhum (aqui) a falar bem do Syriza. Escolhas talvez de quem se esforça por trabalhar e dos que...nem por isso.
Colocado por: BricoleiroExacto, o que continuo a não perceber é o porquê do medo de se eles saírem ou forem expulsos da UE. Afinal a dívida está lá, com eles dentro ou fora da UE continua a existir, ou será possível declarar insolvência duma nação como se fosse uma empresa (lda) ?
Colocado por: NeonAs consequências a nível global são imprevisíveis.
Chama-se "cagufa"